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I just gave the exact same prompts to Claude Fable 5 and China's brand new Kimik K tree across a handful of builds. A Starbucks and FIFA World Cup campaign website, a mobile app that clones a sixf figureure MR Android application. And finally, a playable 3D copy of the video game Portal. Same rules for both, only one prompt each without any revisions. This is Fable 5 versus Kim K3 headto-head. Let's dive into it. So, if you've been around X or YouTube lately, for sure you have seen Kim K3 Tree. They've launched something like five days ago and they did so with this really good product launch video I must say. But the big reason why it's making so much waves in the AI space is because it is placing at the top of a lot of different benchmarks. So this chart you probably have seen it where you can see Kimik K3 placing at number two or number three in these different coding benchmarks despite being an openw weight model and also at a lower cost. Now there's a lot of independent benchmarks out there but the one that I always come back to is this one by artificial analysis.ai. AI because if you go to the homepage of their website, they actually have this really nice blended intelligence benchmark where essentially what they do is they throw these models through a variety of really hard tasks and they just measure the score of each of these models and give it a blended score. Apart from that, this firm artificial analysis.ai is also backed by people like Andrew Nung who founded Corsera and also Natt Friedman who was XCO of GitHub. And so apart from just coming up with really good benchmarks including the speed and cost which I'll show later I think if you need a quick reference of all these new models as they come out like for example Quen 3.8 is I think coming out soon as well then I'll probably come back to this and see where it will place in this leaderboard. Any case you can see here in the intelligence index on a score out of a 100. You can see that cloudable 5 is still topping the charts while GPD5.6 and Kimik3 are trailing pretty closely as number two and number three. But apart from the intelligence which is sort of the output or the return that you're getting there's two things that is important for you to understand when it comes to assessing a model because really when you talk to a model what you want to have is a higher return on investment and when you think about ROI or return on investment there's always two components to it the return which is the output that you get which right now the best benchmark summaries that we can get is this intelligence index but the investment part of the ROI equation you can pretty much separate into two. One is the cost it takes to accomplish a task and number two is the speed by which it does that task. And so if you look at the cost per task, this is a big reason why Kim K3 is making a lot of waves. It is even cheaper than GBD 5.6 soul, much cheaper, less than half the price of cloud 5. But if you look at the intelligence score here, it is giving us almost the same output in terms of this index. Add to that the fact that Kimik tree is an openweight model. And the reason why open weight models are really important is because once they publish their weights, essentially these other providers or even yourself if you have the hardware to run it, you can download those weights and you can run it yourself and build your own models. So you can imagine once you have a frontier model intelligence like this that is going to release its weights that all of these other players can download that will essentially lift the tide of each of these players so that the baseline gets higher which if you're thinking about access of us as users of these AI tools then that is a massive win. However, there is one glaring drawback with gimmick tree which is the fact that right now it is one of the slowest models out there. So when we talk about speed you can see Fable 5 and GPD 5.6 six are around almost two times faster versus Kim K3. So it does have its drawback but because of its performance as well as its cost and the fact that it's open weight than as of right now and as per these benchmarks then I think Kim K3 really deserves your attention. Also by the way the other benchmark that is making the waves around X recently is this one by arena.ai where they are showing how Kimik K3 pretty much surpassed CloudFable 5 when it comes to front-end code and design. And in case you don't know what Arena.AI AI is basically if you go to that website you can actually try out these models for free but essentially when you use their tool like for example you want to create a front-end design for a website what you'll actually get is two results from two different random models and you will essentially blind vote on which one you prefer. And so this benchmark what it does is it essentially aggregates people's votes on these front-end website designs. And so this is a big deal because when it comes to matters of design and taste everything is subjective. And so the fact that Kim K3 is eclipsing Cloud Table 5 in this sort of blind voting test and by quite a margin is actually a significant achievement for them. And so one of the tests that we'll be doing for sure is to compare Kim K3's front end design versus that of Claude Fable 5. But all right, enough of the benchmarks. What I'll now be doing is I'll be testing out Claude Fable 5, which right now is the most frontier amongst the frontier models in terms of intelligence, but it is expensive. And I'll also be testing Kimik tree here on the right where we'll be sending the same prompt one shot without any revisions. So here on the left we'll have Fable 5 at max effort. And here on the right we'll have Kimik tree with max effort as well which I've just wired up to cloud code as the harness. Now I've wired up Kim K3 to Claude Code as the harness because of one simple reason. I actually want K3 to have access to the same skills that I have in my workspace as Claude Fable 5. So for example in the website design test later I'm going to give the freedom to these models to generate images or videos using generative AI models which I have already linked up to some skills in cloud code. So that's quite important. Now if you want to set up Kimik tree in cloud code yourself I will link down below a guide of how I did it which you can just access for free and you can just either read through that or give it to your cloud code in order to set KK tree up in your instance. And by the way, if you want to learn how to build and sell AI systems that businesses actually pay for, then that's pretty much all we do over at the Robberon Nuggets community, where not only do you get access to the Claude Living Master Class, which we update every week and takes you from zero to mastery with the latest on AI, but you also get access to our agents as a service course, which walks you through how to actually get paid for all these AI skills that you are learning. You also get to be part of a genuinely great community of AI builders. In fact, you can see just some of the recent wins our members are getting from the program right here. So, if you want to start earning from AI, then check that just in the pin comment below. Now, back to the video. All right. Now, let's go to the first test. So, I'll just send over these prompts and then I'll show you. Basically, what this first test does is it's going to be a website design for a campaign for a Starbucks X FIFA World Cup 2026 partnership where we're asking them to build one self-contained HTML file. And specifically, we want this to be treated as a showcase of extreme capability in terms of visuals. The core idea being is that Starbucks is offering limited edition drinks for each of the top eight countries of the FIFA World Cup. And this is a goal prompt as well. So, we're just using the agent framework for goal prompts that we have mentioned before where we have the ask, we have the goal, we have some examples, some negations of what not to do as well as tools. But pretty much, if you read through this, which I'll probably also link below, you can see that this is quite general. The only other thing that I wanted to mention here is I actually give them a $10 budget to generate images or videos as they see fit using GPT image 2 for stills and clang3.0 for motion. So we'll see what that looks like once it's done. All right. So now both of these sessions have completed their task. All right. So this is from Cloud Fable 5. So there you can see eight nations, eight cups, one final pour. So the thing with Fable is it really likes this font with the fancy Fs. I think it's called Francis. And although not a lot of people looking at this will consider it vibecoded because not a lot of people probably know what Fable's designs default looks like. But if you were building out and using Claude quite a lot then you might notice this font as well as this design being overused I would say. But I think overall for a oneshot prompt this is quite good. Like the fact that you have animations for the text error is quite nice. And here you go. So, it was able to generate these using GPD image 2. And it decided that Starbucks is going to launch these cups for each of these countries in this sort of dome-shaped format. And as I scroll through them, you'll be able to see each of these countries here, the top eight participating in the World Cup. And you have all of the portfolio of those cups available to you. So, I did it pretty well. Again, coming from just one shot prompt. The only thing that I think is still missing with a lot of these models when it comes to the taste component is when it comes to the copy, meaning what it actually says. So, if I just scroll back up here, like this one, the torment lasts a month. The queue lasts minutes, the cup in your hand remembers that whole paragraph reads very AI to me. But the good news is if you have some level of copyrightiting skill, you can probably tweak that so that it reads more like a human and it reads more like in Starbucks's tone of voice. And that's much easier to tweak versus the overall vibe and uh design of this site. So that is what Fable 5 created for us with that one prompt. All right. So now this is from Kimmy K3. Here we go. So it also generated a video in the background. Eight countries, eight drinks. It has that nice sort of negative space there for the eight drinks which is looking pretty good. And it even has the 26 at the bottom. So if I scroll down, the world's game poured by the world's coffee house. Taste the final eight. Now, I think that copy is much better versus what Fable 5 gave us. A bit more catchy, I would say. And then it has some subtext here. And then if you go down, interesting. All right. So, if I scroll down here, what it actually did, if you can notice, is it created this 3D rendering of a cup and it created also, this is probably an image that it created using GPD image 2, and it decided to put the image wrapping this 3D object as its rendering of the cup. So, I did not provide that prompt to it. It came up with that idea all by itself. Now, obviously, if you were designing this for real, like this is a really good idea. I'll probably run with this if I were to create this for real. But, uh, obviously the aspect ratio of the logo there shouldn't be oval shaped. And so, you can probably optimize this image more and the 3D renderings so that it is representing the cup more accurately if we were doing this campaign for real. But like this idea of just scrolling down and uh it transitions into this new country cup is actually really really good and it's a good idea to start off with and I really like how it gave us these flavors as well. So that's a very novel idea and I think Kim K tree like if I were to choose which one won this round it's probably K3 to be honest. Here for the tournament gone with the trophy. All right. So this is what Kim K3 gave us with a oneshot prompt with access to GPD image 2 as well as cling K3. So this is the one from Fable 5 and this is the one from Kimik tree. Very very close and I think for this one I would probably vote for Kimik tree. So let me know below which one you prefer because again front end design very subjective but I think the level of what we have with these AI models now it is really really easy to create websites that are a bit more eye-catchy than your usual viodated purple AI websites. But like what I said earlier, the important thing to consider when it comes to these AI models is to measure your ROI from them. So your return on your investment, right? Because at least for this use case, this is the output that you're getting. But how much did it actually cost and how much time did it actually take to produce these results? And so what I just did is have each of those models self-report on these use cases on what the token cost is as well as the time that it took. Now the cost here just for clarity and avoidance of doubt is the cost that would have been if we used API usage based pricing. So for cloudable 5 because I'm in subscription I actually didn't pay $35. For Kimik tree since I'm using it via a service called open router I actually did pay $4.7 for that build. Now, do note the reason why this is probably more expensive than usual is because I actually asked, if you go back to that prompt, I actually asked these models to self-check their work, which is why they took screenshots as well as repeated a few loops in order to just refine their work. Now, when you're constrained for budget, you probably won't be doing that. But just note that if you have these models loop to check their work before giving it to you, then obviously it would cost much more. Now, this is what we're saying earlier, right? Because as we know, Cloud Fable 5 terribly expensive, but it does finish the task much faster. So end to end, it took roughly 40 minutes to build that site. And remember, this is at max effort, so that's why it probably took longer. While with Kim Tree, it took around 1 hour and 17 minutes. So if you're doing front-end website design, what is the key takeaway? Well, I think the key takeaway is the fact that Kim Tree is really good at it. It depends with your prompt, obviously, but I think that arena.ai benchmark that we saw earlier is quite real. Like I can imagine how K tree can surpass Fable 5 with uh different prompts, with different brands, with different designs. And at this level of cost, especially if for example, you've already maxed out your Fable 5 credits in your Claude subscription and you need to pay usage base pricing. Anyway, I would probably see if I can just offload that task with Kimik tree, even despite the fact that it is taking a bit longer. All right, let's move on to the second prompt. So, I'm going to send this to prompts and then I'll just take you through it because what we're now going to do is to build an Android app. And if I expand this prompt, you can see we're building this Android app called Stretch, which offers guided stretch routines with beautiful illustrations and timers. Now, if you read through that prompt, which I'll also provide below, you can see that it is pretty much emulating the features of this app, this existing app called Bend. And it has already 157,000 reviews with 5 million plus downloads. And when I did a quick Google search, they were reportedly making something along the lines of 600K in terms of MR, which is pretty insane because if you actually download this app, all it really does is give you a set of stretching routines with this really nice set of images [snorts] to go along with it. So, it's sort of like a timer app. But you can definitely see like from just the reviews here and the amount of usership that it has that it is quite valuable. So if Fable and Kim Katri are successful in building this out, then that just alludes to the point that the coding part isn't really the roadblock anymore. It is mostly around getting an audience as well as probably marketing this app. So we'll see how both of those models do once they finish that prompt. And just to go through that prompt once again, you can see I am using the agent framework for this goal prompt which I declared a clear ask. I am declaring a goal. So stop only when the app builds and launches on a standard Android emulator. And at least for this build so that it won't take so much time. I just ask it to include eight distinct stretches each with its own illustration. Every stretch illustration shown again I'm using or having these models use GPT image 2 to render images. And I also want at least four routines built from those stretches. I gave it some guidance on some examples but not too specific and some guidance on what not to do as well as the tools that it can use. Then once again I give it a hard cap of how much to spend so that we have a fair playing field between these two models. All right. So now with those two tasks done you can see they used Flutter as well as Dart or at least Kim K tree did and Fable 5 probably also did. So yeah, you can see the stack is Flutter and everything got built in their individual emulators which I have on my other screen. So this is the one from Cloud Fable 5. And there you go. It has four routines. One for waking up, one for anytime, one for a desk break, post-workout, and before sleep. So let's say we want to try out the waking up routine. You can see there's a few stretches in here. And all these images are generated via GBD image too. And I like how consistent it all is. And it's just that one design. And again, it decided the prompts for these icons by itself because this is just a simple timer. You can see it has this neck release stretch. It has instructions on how to do it. A timer on doing it. And then if we go to the next, we can actually do that to do the cat curl. So you have instructions there as well. And yeah, it's pretty basic, but if you try the original inspiration for this, the band app. This is pretty much what it does. And it has what, like more than a million users, right? And so something as simple as this actually does add a lot of value for its users. Right now we just did four routines in here. But uh you can just imagine how you can probably have Cloud Fable 5 ideate like 10 more routines for the different exercises. Maybe like a nighttime routine, maybe one that's more focused on yoga. And at least right now in its most basic form, it does function well. And I think the look of it, especially these images are also as per the brief, as per the prompt that we gave it. So, props to Cloud Table 5 for that, especially given that it was only done with just one prompt. Now, if we go and see what um Kim K3 did, it is actually quite similar. Like, this is the homepage of it. If I go back to the homepage of Cloud Fable 5, I think the only difference is number one, it doesn't really have the core images of these workout routines here at the very top, but it did include all of the stretches here at the bottom if in case you want to try them out. So if we try one of these, it's pretty much the same, but the difference is the images are slightly different, but it functions similarly and the front-end design of it is also the same. So really, if you are after an Android app, you can pretty much oneshot this whole emulator experience running on your own desktop and just create an APK file from this to run it on your own phone and then just submit it to Google Play, right? And so the point being the barrier to entry to creating applications like these have never been lower. Now obviously because these two are so similar probably want to just look at the cost and the time that it took for these two models to have created these builds. And again it's the same pattern as earlier. So Cloud Fable 5 costed around $20 if you were using API usage based pricing at around half the time that it took Kim K3 to do it. But that is four times the cost of Kim K3 at only $5 to create that whole experience. Now time- wise, it did take an hour and 10 minutes, so roughly twice as long as Fable 5. But this is just one prompt and you wanted it to run in the background and realize like 75% savings in the process. Then that's a really big deal, especially since the output, as you saw earlier, were pretty much the same in terms of the design aesthetic as well as the functionality. Now, onward to our third test. And this prompt is quite interesting because what we'll be doing is we'll be replicating this video game called Portal. And in case you haven't played Portal before, it is quite an interesting test because the core mechanic of it is you actually can shoot out these blue and orange portals so that you can teleport to wherever the other portal is leading to. And I think Portal would be a really good test because it's essentially a puzzle game, right? and it has a lot of these physics-based movements that I think would be a sort of a good evaluation of how good these models really are. The other reason is with games like these, you actually don't need a lot of really good graphics in order to have a good idea for a game. As long as the core idea and mechanic is good, then you'll actually be able to have a pretty successful game. Like for example, Minecraft or even Flappy Bird, if you remember that, those have been pretty successful just because of the core idea and the core mechanic. That said, we are going to ask these models to do this in just one shot. And what we're asking them to do is to build a playable 3D clone of Portal is a single self-contained HTML file. So, we'll be opening it in our browser. And so, we just enumerated a few of the core mechanics that must work and they must verify. And the other thing is we wanted two levels for now. So, one that is quite easy and the second one which is more difficult. And then same with the framework that we have for this goal prompt. We gave it some written instructions on a few examples, a few negations as well as tools. Other thing is again because we wanted to be visually appealing, we gave it the chance to use GBD image 2 with a budget if you need to render images, let's say textures for in-game assets. All right, so both of those sessions are now done. And this [clears throat] is the one from Claw Table 5 called Slingshot two-chamber portal physics test. And this is wild. So you can see that the goal it seems is we need to stand on this button, but we need to get that box over at the top. So if I click on the left mouse button, that launches the blue portal. So it has that capability. So Fable was able to do that pretty well. And I think it says here, I can press E to grab this jump and just put that there. There you go. We solved level one pretty quickly. Okay, so chamber two supposedly needs to be harder. So it seems that we'll probably need to have a portal here and then launch ourselves here and then if I can fling myself there, I'll be able to go to this side. So that probably takes a bit more precision. All right, level two because our briefest to make it super difficult. It is actually really difficult. But the core idea is uh if I place the portals here, I'll be able to fling myself to this platform uh in the center with this box while launching myself like that. There you go. Okay. And then I'll just place it here. Okay. And then we'll finish the level that way. Perfect. So that is a pretty good run. Actually, that's a pretty good oneshot prompt. basically just um being able to have that pretty complex physics built in and having like a full portal game that obviously the whole visuals of this you can improve. It's not like the actual Portal game, but the fact that you have everything in order to make like a proper puzzle game, I think is really powerful, especially coming from just a one shot prompt. So, kudos to Cloud Fable 5. All right, now we go to what Kim K3 gave us. So, it's called Aperture Kimmy. So, pretty much the same controls. Let's click to begin. Okay. So, basically we need to get that right. And if we go and all right, it kind of works. I do have to say though that there is a bit of lag. So, if we are probably going for speediness, we can give it a second prompt to improve that. But, uh, that first level is pretty easy as instructed. Okay. So, now his second level, it's kind of hard. I I don't think I can solve this, but let me try. I think the graphics are a bit better with Kimi. So again alluding to that front- end design benchmark that we saw earlier but in terms of speediness table 5 was able to give us a much better experience because there is a bit of lag here. But the fact that both of these models are giving us especially Kim K3 with this pretty complex puzzle that can probably pass as an actual stage in a game like Portal is pretty insane honestly. So yeah, there is that exit. It'll probably take me a few minutes to figure this out guys. Essentially, the point being that if you have like an idea, especially that of a game and even if it has like complex physics like these, then you can probably do it now with the smartness of these models. Now, to build that portal clone, again, it's the same pattern as we saw earlier. Cloud Fable 5, at least for this run, it was three times more expensive versus Kimmy. Like, imagine that two-stage thing that was built with just one shot. It did take 2 hours and 30 minutes though because the prompt that I gave I always asked them to verify the stages and at least with the Kimik tree one uh the second stage was a bit more complex. So it probably took some turns in order to make sure that that one is solvable but that took 2.5 hours to finish but at a cost that is less than $10 to build out the whole thing. That is pretty incredible. Right now with Club Fable 5 again that takes less time but at a much higher cost. So what do we now take away from this? Because if you have a subscription to Claude, should you now cancel that and just go all in on something like Kimik tree because of a lower cost? Probably not, right? Because at the end of the day, the subscriptions that Entropic as well as OpenAI is offering us is still much cheaper and highly subsidized to access these models. So take advantage of that, especially since there's still some question on whether that will last years into the future. But at least right now having let's say a max plan of $100 a month or $200 a month to give you a lot of tokens and access to models like Fable 5 is still the cheapest ways by which you can access intelligence levels of this scale. Now that said, if you do run out of Fable 5 credits or usage, then that is when you should check out Kimik Tree, especially since right now you can only access Kim Tree through usagebased pricing. And the reason why that is is because if you go to the Kimik tree membership plans, they actually closed this recently. So you can see it says join weight list here right now. So you can't really get Kimik tree on a subscription plan as of the moment. And the reason why they did that, they mentioned it in this expost where basically over the past couple of hours, the demand for Kimik tree was so much that they couldn't support it at current capacity. So they had to close the subscriptions as of right now. But look, Kimik tree, it's an open weight model. I think 5 days from now, July 27, they'll release the weights. And one of the big implications of that, like I mentioned in the beginning, is the fact that every other model company will definitely download that file and implement it in order to improve their own models. So all of these ones will probably get to something like almost fable level intelligence at some point because Kimik tree is going to open weight and provide basically access to their secret sauce in order to make this intelligence level possible. So overall it's a win for the consumer. It's a win for us as users. I think definitely try Kim K tree out. It is almost as good as Fable as you can see in the tree tests that we did and at a fraction of the cost. So if you want to test it out over at cloud code as your harness then the guide for that I just shipped that from my system from my uh workspace so that you can try it out as well. But there I hope that was useful and as always thank you for watching until the end and I'll see you all next time. Cheers. [music]